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What happens when the institution that introduced you to God becomes the source of your deepest pain?
In this episode of Locked In with Algenon Cash, Algenon sits down with clergy leader, author, and spiritual teacher Chantal McKinney for a thoughtful conversation about following Jesus beyond church, spiritual awakening, and the difference between organized religion and a personal relationship with God.
Drawing from her personal journey and her new book, Chantal shares how abuse and institutional failure challenged everything she believed, ultimately leading to a deeper understanding of Jesus’ teachings and a more authentic relationship with God. Together, they explore why following Jesus beyond church doesn’t mean abandoning Christian community. Instead, it means rediscovering Christ’s invitation to inner transformation, the Kingdom of God within, and a faith rooted in compassion and love rather than institutional identity.
The conversation examines the difference between gathering as followers of Christ and viewing the church as a building or institution. Chantal reflects on Jesus’ emphasis on inner transformation, discussing how His teachings repeatedly pointed people toward a changed heart rather than religious performance. They also explore why so many people today are leaving organized religion while continuing to seek God, and whether modern Christianity has unintentionally shifted attention away from the inward spiritual journey Jesus described.
Algenon and Chantal also discuss healing after spiritual abuse, reclaiming personal spiritual authority, forgiveness, and the role community should play in a healthy faith journey. Rather than offering easy answers, this episode invites listeners to wrestle with timeless questions about discipleship, purpose, and what it truly means to follow Jesus in today’s rapidly changing world.
Whether you’re a lifelong Christian, wrestling with organized religion, recovering from church hurt, or simply seeking a deeper spiritual life, this conversation offers an honest and compassionate exploration of faith, healing, and inner transformation.
